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but they're also here for the vote. our ted barret was in the chamber. he reports that two women stood up very loudly and all the senators heard and said shame on you. one of the women, they were both related to recent gun violence. one was the woman who said she helped take one of the magazines away from jared loughner the man who shot gabby giffords and others and another was a family member of a virginia tech victim. that is the kind of emotion you're seeing still it didn't really seem to get the senators, the ones they needed to get across the aisle. the reason you got a whole bunch of different reasons from some being lobbied. senator heler of nevada said he thinks it is too much paperwork and wouldn't get to the heart of the goal which was to be to curb gun violence. you saw jeff flake from arizona, very close with gabby giffords, they were lobbying him hard and he said this goes too far. some of those kinds of statements. let me tell you the raw politics. that is that there are a number of issues before the senate that some senators are going to have to take tough votes on. immigra
for you know, ted nugent on his friggin' farm. >> stephanie: you would be a good person to get your take on this because there was a piece about, you know, how wayne lapierrre succeeded. as crazy as he is, moving the debate to the right. the way he -- the way he negotiates as compared to the president who people say he caved or compromises too. he had that press conference and went far to the right wing crazies so that now the goalpost was over here. >> hal: i would agree to some degree but i think a lot of the senators who have been around for a long time, a lot of like new -- hypernew house tea party types and then the older house members, combined with them. create this wall of -- well, they're going to take rifles like this kind of '50s mentality of protecting the second amendment. it is real -- it was already there. that bar was already far to the right. our conversation about guns is and has always been mid right. at best. >> stephanie: yep. >> that's because, you know, we have this -- the freedom fantasy. this idea that somehow the revolutionary war is still being fought. the civi
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